Why everyone needs a childhood
April 29th, 2009 by CarynI am going to jump right into it and state that I REALLY dislike Eloise Hawking after this episode--my heart actually broke a little when she closed the piano on little Daniel. Not to mention the fact that she sent him back to the island with the full knowledge that she would personally shoot and kill him! No wonder Faraday is so tweaky.
I am still in shock that he's dead! I'm going to need some time to digest this....I mean, the woman bore and raised Daniel KNOWING that she would someday kill him. And we thought that the other characters had messed up home lives!
Can't wait until next week to find out what happens to Sawyer--cuz that's what you call a tight situation. 
'Whoa' moments"
-Mrs. Hawking goes to apologize to Penny
-Faraday: Mrs. Hawking was wrong--they weren't supposed to come back!
-The man of many talents--Dan is a piano virtuoso, too? EW I no longer like
-Phil's in the closet. 
-The Accident! Faraday just puts it all out there]
-The Oxford scene! Theresa
-The journal was a gift from his mother. I would say 'awww'
-Faraday meets Widmore, who personally recruits him--what's with the weird memory disease?
-Jack vs. Sawyer...and Juliet turns!
-Faraday gets to talk to Charlotte.
-WHOA! Full on gunfight!
-Eloise is still in league with Widmore. And plays the mother card on Faraday...grrrr.
-Sawyer: caught red-handed!
-The Accident is the KEY to reversing the entire story. Nuts!
-He's going to use JUGHEAD
-YAYAYAYYY! Desmond is okay!! And Penny and Daniel are siblings.
-Ellie and Charlie: Widmore IS Daniel's father.
-You knew this was going to happen, and you sent me here anyway! NOOOOO Faraday can't die!!
Quotables:
Miles: "Don't look at me, I just carried his luggage."
Orchid worker: "Did you hear that? Time travel. How stupid does this guy think we are?"
Sawyer: "Welcome to the meeting, twitchy."
Sawyer: "Your mother is an Other?"
Jack: "I just landed off a plane in 1977. That's on my list of insane."
Locations:
-Oxford: St. Andrew's Cathedral
-Desmond's hospital?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
that resturant where Daniel and his mom had lunch looked like "the grand cafe" by the Hawaii Theater.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Caryn, I got nothing as I am still decompressing from watching. Desmond's hospital is the hospital they use for most hospital scenes, Hawaii Medical Center East, what they used to call St. Francis Liliha.
The Indian restaurant where Ellie takes Danny Boy after his graduation (aw, they cut out the kissing scene), is that Saffron on King St?
Hurley was funny when he stated, "dude you guys were in 1954?"
Faraday can't remember things. It's probably the experiments he did to himself and which caused Theresa to become a veggie burger. Seems like Richard has a hard time remembering anything either -- I guess being a million years old, your brain cells kind of get fried.
I look forward to all the comments.
April 30th, 2009 at 2:45 am
you could kind of tell what was going to happen to Daniel when Eloise and Charles were talking outside of the hospital about "sacrifice"...it lead up to her shooting Daniel in the past..that really sucked because i liked what Daniel was trynna do ...He almost convinced Dr. Chang about Miles too..that would have been nuts.....haha and that comment made by Hurley about 1954.."you mean fonzie days"...was hilarious
April 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Great episode. I especially like these eps where we get to learn the backgrounds of the characters. I thought it was funny when they were picking out guns and Daniel asked for a beginner model. And, like Geezy mentioned, that fonzie day comment by Hurley was hilarious!
Was anyone else worried when Kate said that the security fence was off? I was wondering if it really was off or not.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:30 am
This episode was so heartbreaking! I didn't want Faraday to die!!! Why can't the Others make him live like Ben? It was tragic.
So from my understanding, Faraday sent himself back in time as a guinea pig, then he sent Theresa back too? But when you come back to your "correct" time you suffer some kind of memory loss? Is it because you change events that are supposed to/not happen? Scary. If everybody goes back to the correct time, they won't remember each other...
April 30th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Like almost everyone else, I'm heart-broken that Faraday died. I liked the character a lot. I was surprised because I thought he would be the key to the entire story, when revealed in Season Six. I did not associate the "sacrifice" comment as a indicator of the end of the episode because I was so convinced Faraday would be the key to the "solution."
I also lol at the things Geezy and Needahobby mentioned.
Here's my take on why Faraday had to die (and I assume he will not be miraculously resurrected). He's actually an "enemy" of the island. He has come to believe that the past can be changed. He says that if the accident that is about to happen can be prevented (by using Jughead), then Oceanic 815 won't crash after all and everything would not have happened as it did (does that mean our memories of "Lost" would also disappear?).
But the island is really "in control." The past is the past, it cannot be changed. The island does not want it changed. Everything that happens, happens for a reason. So people working against destiny, which the island dictates, will die.
In this show, it also seems like people die as they come to peace with some aspect of their lives--I'm remembering Boone, Shannon, Charlie, even Ana and her mother. I think Faraday comes to terms with Eloise through this episode.
Faraday is right when he says he made a mistake by focusing on the "constants" in his equation, as opposed to the "variables." But he errs in identifying people as "the variables." People are not the variables, it's the island.
Mathematically, it's not the constants that dictate the outcomes of equations, it's the values of the variables. So what controls the true outcomes of "Lost"--I don't think it's the people, it's the island.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I think Faraday wanted to die, especially the way he was brandishing his gun and going into Camp Otherwood like a raving lunatic. There was something purposeful to what he was doing.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Is this the death of a "beloved character" that was written about several weeks ago?
Shotgun Willy, I interpreted going into the camp with a gun as Faraday knowing that might be the only way to get his mother to help.
But maybe it's something he needed to do to see whether the past could be changed (an experiment, sort of).
April 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
bill,
good points.
did faraday really die? he did look up one last time, but it wasn't conclusive that that was his last breath.
and by him gasping out "I'm your son" does that make Eloise the mother she becomes? knowing that he is brilliant prior to his birth and thus "encouraging" him to study study study? young Eloise was always the hot head. even when they first encountered her during the "army" days, she was angry.
so what was her & Widmore's intentions on sending Daniel back to the island? sure it would heal him of his memory problems. it would also give him the opportunity to continue his research like he never thought before with this electromagnetic source. little did they tell him that he'd never leave the island. so are they being selfish for their own purposes? is this research he did at Ann Arbor something that they bank on or take advantage of? to sacrifice their son for what???
did daniel really intend for all this to happen? did he really want to stop the "Accident"? as Kate put it, did they really want to reverse all that they've gone through? they would no longer know each other. no longer have all those relationships and experiences. they would've just been sleeping passengers on flight 815 that would only have by chance bumped each other in the aisle or at the baggage claim.
but Bill's point about the island is also a good one. its the island that has decided everyone's fate. it somehow influences the outcome for everything for its own good.
talking about Destiny.... after all that studying Daniel did, he said that you can't change the past. he thought he could depoly Jughead, but he forgot one thing. sure it was the Losties, Others & Dharma's "present time", but it was also this "past" for the Losties that created the timeline that led them to this "present". he couldn't change these events.
my brother had a whoa moment. he said, hey, they didn't have some of those guns in the 70s. i think one of the handguns (not daniel's) was a glock or something. maybe it was brought into the arsenal by sawyer folks when they quantum leapt.
btw, that radzinsky guy is crazy!
April 30th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
How was that look on Juliet's face, right after Sawyer called Kate "Freckles."
Oh man, you could cut the tension in that room with a knife! yikes!
@chawan_cut -- Yeah, I noticed the newer guns too. Sawyer had a Beretta that I believe was introduced in the late 80's. I think it was Kate who had a SIG, a pistol from the 90's.
OMG! They get their guns from the future!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
How can he die if he made that tape that they showed at Comic-con last year? There one where he was filming Marvin Candle. That tape was made AFTER he told Candle about the future, so they still have to make it
April 30th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
H20 - it's never been confirmed that it was actually Daniel that was doing the shooting although it does sound like his voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8
It's strange though that it seems that Dr. Chang is the one that is motivated to do this video to the future, not Daniel, if it is actually him. "Daniel" says this is useless or is unbelieving while Dr. Chang is the one that tries to convince him that there is hope in this message. Wasn't it the othe way around in last night's episode?
And everyone keeps saying that these videos apart from the show are not to be considered canon. And are those little 30 second clips on the official website not supposed to be considered canon too -- like one where Michael almost kisses Sun but I think Walt appears?
April 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
This is the one I'm talking about. I've heard that the producers confirmed a while ago that the voice near the end is Dan. How is this possible if he died last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCVCzplSa6A
April 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Sorry Shotgun Willy, I didn't see your post before I posted. I did think that the producers confirmed it but I guess I could be wrong. As far as the video if it IS Daniel, the Dr is asking to reform the Dharma initiave. From what I saw last night I don't think Daniel would be interested in that at all, only the Dr. would care about bringing Dharma back, so I think it kinda does fit.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I'm thinking that Dr. Chang is a believer now because the "incident" that Dan predicted happened and now with the purge imminent, he wants to make this video to try and make this NOT happen. And perhaps it was Dan that told Dr. Chang about the "internet".
May 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I think its fairly clear now that Chang is a believer in the incident. He IS going to order the evacuation of the island, but probably only the people with children. That is how baby Miles, baby Faraday, baby Charlotte and others will get off the island. May also be tied to the fact that there can be no more children on the island anymore. If this decision to evacuate backfires, it will be because they will break some type of time travel law. If one of the men (father of Charlotte, for example) impregnates another woman, then there may be two Charlottes, which is not possible, because the original Charlotte wasnt supposed to leave in the first place. A paradox will exist.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
H E Pennypacker--I'm not sure Dr. Chang will get baby Faraday off the island, since his parents are both with the Hostile group. I am still unsure of what the incident IS, and thus why the Dharma Initiative had problems but the Others ("Hostiles") might not. The show leads us to believe some sort of electromagnetic event, but how did it affect people (and only some people). I'm trying to figure out whether baby Faraday had been born when adult Faraday presumably dies.
Faraday finishes at Oxford in 2007, but as one of the youngest graduates (with a doctorate, right?), he's maybe 20-22. Baby Faraday may not have existed yet in 1977. He's still to be born, maybe even seven or eight years from being born. Is this timing clear to anyone?
May 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Bill: Thats true about Faraday's parents being hostiles. BUT what if he gets kidnapped as a baby and sent off the island? I always thought it strange that he has an american accent but his parents (Widmore and Eloise) are both British.
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
About Faraday not having an English accent, a reasonable explanation I've heard is that Ellie Hawking relocated to L.A. (I know, relocating in more ways than one) to be at the lampost. Faraday grew up in L.A. in the 70s/80s. But then why doesn't he say "gag me with the spoon, Sawyer"?
May 3rd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I watched it again this morning. Couple things, Widmore does say, "He WAS my son too". That should have given us a hint that he may not be coming back.
Also about Kate helping Daniel. Not at the beginning but when she heard the plan. You would think she wouldn't help anymore. She DID show concern that it would erase everything that's happened to them but Daniel and Jack are going about things as if that's a good thing. As far as Kate is concerned it's NOT. If not for the crash she'd be in federal prison right now without having the luxury of being an O6 to help save her. If I was her I would have done all I could NOT to help Daniel once I heard what he wanted to do. Hell, I may have shot him myself.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Shotgun Willy's explanation for Faraday's American accent makes sense to me.
I'm still trying to assemble the timeline. The scene in which Faraday dies is 1977, right? Isn't Widmore quite a bit older when he is sent away from the island, so that must happen in the 1980s or 1990s. That's judging by Ben Linus' age in that scene and knowing Ben was young when he was taken to live with the Hostiles.
Is Penny older than Faraday or younger? How do we know?
I still don't think Faraday was even born when the incident happens.