Bring on the finale!
May 6th, 2009 by CarynI am just about 'WHOA'd' out after this one. I mean, WHOA! There are so many things to talk about, I think I may just let all this simmer until next week's finale. Where has the season gone? I don't think I'm ready for another summer without any new Lost episodes...:(
Leave your thoughts below. Here are mine:
Whoa moments :
-The rift between Jack and Kate deepens
-Richard saw them all die?!
-They buried Jughead beneath the Dharma village!
-Radzinsky takes over. I have never liked him.
-Eloise is pregnant already. Widmore looks pretty rugged with long hair
-LOCKE instructs Richard to tell him that he has to die....brilliant!!
-Sawyer will betray the Others to get he and Juliet off the island
-Sayid saves Kate
-Cool super-secret river cave
-Locke organizes a group trip to see Jacob. Awesome.
-A new alliance between Ben and Richard? Hmmmm....
-Kate gets on the sub, too---while Juliet shoots daggers at her
-Super fake submarine submersion (totally disappointing...c'mon, Lost!)
-The Others march to see Jacob...so Locke can kill him? Whaaaa?
Quotables
Locke to Ben: "I'm not scared of anything you can do anymore"
Hurley to Dr. Chang: "But we asked you first."
Richard: "Want the bullet?"
Sawyer: "We'll buy Microsoft..."
May 7th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Whoa is right! Why would John tell Richard to tell John the same things he already told John? Shouldn't he be telling him something different to change things? Weird! And kill Jacob! Wow! I just don't see how the writers can possibly make everything that's happened all these years FIT together! If they can and the outcome at the end isn't some lame dream sequence or something else stupid, Lost will truly go down in history as the best TV show EVER!
May 7th, 2009 at 5:21 am
What a great way to set up next week's season finale!!
I thought this episode kind of explained why Locke came back to life. Lets assume that he had to die to take the place of Christian on flight 315. He had to get this message from Alpert (after being shot)...who was instructed by (future) Locke himself. So if Locke wasn't resurrected, then he wouldn't have been able to tell Alpert the message (since he would be dead). So if Alpert didn't get the message, Locke wouldn't have died in the first place! Its all circular, but the basic premise is that Locke HAS to be alive in order to give Alpert the message.
The second thing I noticed is the utter confusion on Ben's face when he encountered time traveling Locke. When he disappeared, he was equally confused...but on the other hand, could he have been faking? I remember him asking the date (specifically the YEAR) when he turned the wheel and landed in Tunisia...he must know about time travel. Or does he??
May 7th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Favorite quote:
Chang: So you fought in the Korean War.
Hurley: Uhhhh...there's no such thing. (Look on Jin's face is equally classic)
May 7th, 2009 at 8:02 am
The finale already? I think I'll have to re-watch past seasons over the summer.
I agree. What? Richard saw them all die? Also, I enjoyed all of the quotes mentioned. Did anyone else notice that they're calling Sawyer, "Jim" now?
May 7th, 2009 at 8:14 am
i loved the back and forth between hurley and pierre chang!! i wonder how kate, juliet, and sawyer get off the sub and back onto the island.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:24 am
I did like the Dr. Chang / Hurley conversation, too.
I also thought the submarine submerging looked awful. For us in Hawaii, we also know how shallow the waters at that location really are, though most won't know that.
My theory is that Richard says he saw them all die because he (along with an older Ben) participated in the massacre of the Dharma Initiative people (remember the mass grave). Because Ben is only around 12 in 1977, we know the massacre happens much later.
It is NOT clear to me that Richard actually saw the individuals in the photo die, just that he knows that everyone remaining on the island and connected with Dharma was killed. So, if Hurley, Jin, Miles, Juliet, and Sawyer are off the island (different time, different place) by the time the massacre happens, it's plausible that they do not die, Richard just thinks so.
I'm not clear either on what the "incident" which probably happens next week really will turn out to be. Whatever it is, people, including Dr. Chang, survive it. So it seems like others on the island will too, including the Losties. Maybe Radzinsky dies (yes!--what an unlikable character!--but we need those to keep the show fun).
Anybody have an idea on who or what Jacob will turn out to be? Is Christian Shepherd really alive (in the sense that Locke apparently is alive) or is it Jacob or something else inhabiting that body? Why was that body chosen rather than any other conveniently available body--Boone or Shannon, for example?
For a while, I thought Jacob was synonymous with the island, sort of a manisfestation of the island. But if Locke is "talking" to the island and says he intends to kill Jacob, is that true? Or is Jacob an enemy of the island, somehow? Could Jacob be like Faraday, somebody who thinks they can change "fate" or "destiny"?
May 7th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I think Jacob is going to be a regular unimportant Dharma/Hostile character that gets caught in a time loop, flashing from time point to time point. Thats why sometimes you can see him and other times you cant. Locke thinks that killing Jacob will cause all the separate time lines to converge, hence re-uniting Jin/Sun.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Great episode! I loved the exchange between Dr. Chang and Hurley, too. I really like the part where Miles realizes that his father yelled "I want you to leave!" to his mom because he cared about both of them and it was the only way to get her to leave. And I like the interaction between Sawyer and Juliet on the sub......until Kate showed up. Good stuff, can't wait for the finale.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
the sub leaving was so fake and lame. They should have omitted that scene. Oh well. And it looked like Richard wasn't using that much eyeliner, or am I getting used to the look?
Anyhow, I was sad that Kate bailed on Jack, but I can understand why. And John wants to kill Jacob? How do you kill a dead guy? Assuming that Jacob is dead, anyway. Can't wait for next week! What time does it start anyway? 7 or 8?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
ok, here's my rendition of my weekly random bablings...
kate can't stand jack now. she can't believe he's willing to throw away everything. there wasn't much good in all that bad but there were still some that she's not willing to throw away.
someone always shows up to shoot someone before someone else gets shot. did you see sayid's face when they said ben didn't die?
i don't understand though. if richard could save ben at the temple, why didn't he take that gun wielding hostile there? maybe he's not special enough.
gotta love the tension that kate brought to the sub when she came onboard. juliet was like, "Finally! I'm going to the REAL world and Sawyer's all mine". NOPE. I bet she was wishing she was cyclops right there and could've shot kate with her stare. although like hurley or miles said, sawyer always has a plan and its not over for them.
and that was the fakest 3-d animation blending with the real world. c'mon abc. put some effort into it!
i guess we found out how smokey gets around. those tunnels. one of those paths must go back to ben's house. you would think though if that is the lair of smokey, the island protector, why would the island allow jughead to be stored there? unless the island knows that it is intended to save everyone from the EM radiation that is supposed to occur.
and i too am wondering what THE Incident will actually be. didn't radzinsky say they had 20 more days left till they drilled at the swan? or does he go nutso with all of the recent events and start early?
or is THE Incident the detonation of the nuclear bomb? I'm no nuclear expert, but those things just don't go off. don't they have to be armed a special way? its not you just drop it and it goes BOOM! don't tell me a nuclear bomb expert will just happen to show up next week...
i don't think radzinsky dies either. isn't he mentioned as being one of the button pushers until he goes even more crazy?
if THE Incident is indeed the EM radiation and it is really that huge of an amount, how are they able to capture and contain it? although wait a minute, we know that the EM radiation release must've happened and is the incident. thats why the button and Swan was created. so if jughead didn't go off, is it still there on the island in the current day?
like was previously mentioned, Dharma does survive the incident long enough to be purged by Ben. btw, where is young ben in all of this? was he still there at the camp when faraday died? we haven't seen ben's dad recently either.
is next week's ep 2 hours? i'm really glad that they've decided on a set # of episodes to end the series. we won't be left hanging with nothing. they've probably already written the ending and have the whole last season planned out. (although we'll see what happens with desmond's real life adventures and if he'll be killed off somehow. although jin survived the Lost DUI curse, so maybe desmond will too).
May 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Radzinsky survives the "incident" and is one of the button pushers (per Kelvin) -- he probably helped create the state where the numbers need to be inputted (I bet he starts doing something rash where the discharge that Faraday predicts will happen in a few hrs is caused by Radzo), so probably he offs himself over the guilt of doing this.
But is radiation fallout from the Jughead the reason why the hatch has a warning sign from the inside and why Kelvin and Desmond wear gas masks to go outside?
Dr. Chang survives long enough to make the orientation video concerning the inputting of the Numbers every 108th minute. Plus, he's also in the famous Comic-Con video talking about the incident and urging the reformation of the Dharma Intiative, knowing the the Purge would happen.
I heard the Dharma sub is made out of foam. The CGI was definitely cheeseball.
One question I had is that if Ellie is prego (is that C-Widdy's real baby?) and she is 40 in 1977 (since Ellie is 17 in 1954), doesn't she look exactly the same when Danny Boy is 9 years old in the piano/metronome scene -- but will she be 49 by then? It's really hard to gauge time and age on LOST, esp. when you have RA and the FDW around.
The finale should be epic but I've heard that this will be another game-changing finale that will leave us hanging for the 9 month lull. I hope am not pissed off at the cliff-hanger.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
@ Shotgun Willy
Maybe mentioned earlier, BUT...
Someone has said that it's impossible for "C-Widdy" to be the faraday's father because faraday has brown eyes. Widmore and Eloise both have blue eyes, making it biologically impossible for them to have a brown eyed child. The whole eye color thing may have been OVERLOOKED (lol) by the producers, but maybe to big a thing to overlook.
Maybe Richard is the father? Hmmm...
Watch, discovering Jacob is totally gonna be all Wizard of Oz'ish. Locke will pull back the curtain and Jacob is totally gonna be a nobody of great importance.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Oh yeah...
PHIL MUST DIE!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I thought it was perfectly possible for kids to have different color eyes than their parents?
And like I said last week, Kate is only out for herself now. I'll be surprised if she doesn't flat out say it in the finale "I want to stop Jack because I don't want to go to jail." She was on her way to federal prison, why would she want to stop the plane from ever crashing?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
chawan_cut: 20 more HOURS not days. The incident--whatever it is--is about to happen.
Shotgun Willy: I remember Kelvin saying that, too, now that you brought it up, so I guess Radzinsky survives as does Dr. Chang.
Since nobody has ever seen Jacob, what if Jacob just turns out to be the unexploded bomb? I can't believe that the "incident" is the bomb, more likely some EM incident, but that leaves open the question of what causes there to be so much EM energy in one place. Having Richard lead Locke to a bomb, which cannot be killed, would be the kind of Wizard of Oz'ish revelation Big Will predicts.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:46 am
bill,
thanks. i didn't have the chance to re watch the episode.
2 hours of fun next week!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Anyone remember that box being protected by Ilana and Bram? I wonder whats in it and how it will play into the season finale. I heard from some people in the blogosphere that it contains Widmore! Maybe thats how he finally 'finds' the island!? Will he then be resurrected?
May 8th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I vote for Frogurt as Jacob! Either him or Cheech Marin. It's funny that Cheech and Chong are performing in Hawaii, btw.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Boy, I finally get caught up with the last 6 episodes and now the season finale is next week. I look forward to it. This season has been really WHOA!!!
May 10th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Radzinsky does survive to become a button pusher. As Kelvin showed, he's the blood stain on the ceiling of the Swan.
May 11th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Here is how I think the season is going to end: Jack and Sayid will be successful in annihilating the island (via 'the incident') and everyone that is still alive will land in LAX as planned, as if the past three years never happened. They will go about their lives but they start to get feelings of deja vu...the beeping noise at the cash register (the button noise)...seeing a Volkswagen...they may even run into 'familiar' faces. Then Locke/Ben or whoever will convince them to return again to the island and they will next season to live out their lives as hostiles.
May 11th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Hey, HEP, that's a pretty good prediction. I've been hearing that the ending will be another game-changing event that will throw us in a radically different direction. I just hope it's not cheesy or some easy way out for Darlton Abrams as they try to fit everything in.
Some other random general questions before the finale:
Why the Apple IIe at the Lampost? Surely Eloise and C-Widdy could have afforded a Dell, heck maybe even spring for a used MacBook.
On Sci-Fi they just played The Glass Ballerina. Little Sun also was playing the piano with the metronome going, just like lil' Faraday. What's the connection?
Where are people watching the finale? I likely cannot make it due to family obligations, but if there were to be a gathering, there is an outside chance. Plus, I like to have the CC on and concentrate with not much background distraction. It's almost like you have to study while watching.
Namaste!
May 12th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I'll be watching the finale late at night, after a performance of "Mamma Mia!". So, I'll be like Shotgun Willy, I guess.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Tell us how it goes, Bill - Mamma Mia that is. I was thinking of taking my daugther but a little too pricey for something that I might not normally want to see. What I do want to see is that Beatles musical.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Shotgun Willy--well, I'm old enough to remember the era! "Beatles musical"--do you mean the Cirque du Soleil "Love" at the Mirage in Las Vegas? That's a good one and worth seeing.
I control the music in the car, so the family knows all the old music!
Question--is the "incident" when the statue gets toppled or destroyed? If they show that, I hope the CGs are better than the submarine last week.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
LOL about the cgis. Yah, they're going to just recycle one of George McGovern's nuclear blast campaign videos and say that was the Jughead. By the way, that's the new vernacular for something that's awesome -- "that's the Jughead yo!"
Sounds like the Incident is going to be Ilana and Bram giving Jack, Eloise, Sayid and Richard, the trigger for the Jughead -- perhaps inside the case they're carrying. That notion was lifted off a blog I read, and sounds right to me. But I'm prepared to having our whole view of LOST completely rearranged on Wednesday. Should be the Jughead.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
What if it doesn't work but they all get off the island in 1977? Then, so that they can make sure they get the chance to try again, THEY are the ones that steer their younger selves to be on flight 815?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Just a few tidbits...
As good as this show & season have been, does anyone else get the feeling that the unanswered questions far outnumber the amount of reasonable time left to resolve them? So what goes unanswered forever?
Am just hoping that they do not end up throwing out a bunch of 'non-payoff' answers just to answer them. Like the 'what happened to aaron?' question.
I am guessing the incident is them attempting to set off the bomb...but it does not work. it ends up enhancing the electro-magnetic power of the island. so now its even more powerful than before.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Sounds like Darlton Abrams are not going to answer some of what they think are tangential - they specifically referenced Libby's story as one of them. I think missing out on a few eps. because of the writer's strike contributes to not being able to answer all semi-relevant questions. But I think Aaron is going to have a big role in the fate fo the island; there is no way his existence on the show is one big red herring.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
They said they aren't going to explain the Hurley bird either.
May 13th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Agree with Shotgun Willy on Aaron's role.
Countdown--less then four hours. Well, less than six for me.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Finale = Whoa and Awesome